Tag: Taobao

  • Brand Exploration: The Northwest Passage, Baichatang

    Brand Exploration: The Northwest Passage, Baichatang

    Baichatang is a boutique brand I had some limited exposure to over a decade ago. They press northern (Lincang) tea and have been around a surprisingly long time (1994). As far as I can tell from my distant perch their proprietor Ai Tian seems well known and well regarded. Like the much bigger Xiaguan they also have a history of pressing iron cakes and tuos. Because I’m a curious fellow with some disposable cash to play around with I went on a haphazard toddler-like pointing spree in picking some products to try.

    My Prior Exposure to Baichatang

    I think I have generally conventional preferences for pu’erh, preferring older teas from the southern Yunnan areas that have been stored in places that aren’t too cold or dry. I regularly drink Yiwu teas from boutiques as well as semi-aged to aged factory teas. As a Lincang focused boutique Baichatang defies much of that. They make Lincang tea and while I drink Xiaguan who also focuses on northern tea, I think most would consider the very large Xiaguan and its big blends its own thing.

    So why Baichatang? Despite being deep into the tea hobby for many years and aware that these explorations often end up being a chore and money suck, I’ve never quite lost my own desire for exploration. And the desire to try new stuff that diverges significantly from my usual pu’erh diet sometimes overwhelms the more comfortable stable choices. My prior experience with Baichatang consists of a long list of two teas both which struck me as well above average at the time. One was the 2003 Baichatang 4th Generation cake that Geraldo used to sell. When I bought these in 2015 the material seemed both different from my usual brew and well above average. I ended up with a few. The other tea I tried was a 2008 Iron Cake that Tea Urchin used to sell which also stood out as thick and above average quality. I’ve flirted with getting the 2003 into my rotation but it’s almost entirely western storage has not helped its biological maturation.

    2003 Baichatang 4th Generation

    Mapping Out Baichatang & Generations

    Baichatang uses recipes that have four digits but they follow a different format. In BCT’s case, the last digit represents the generation or the pressing of it. For instance if a tea recipe ended in 3, that would mean it was the 3rd generation of that product. As far as I can tell, the earliest production by Baichatang was their Daqing line started in the 1990s followed by the Iron Cakes, mini cakes, tuos, bricks, etc.

    The Teas

    Their recipes follow a different format than the standard Dayi or Xiaguan format. The number at the end of the recipes means the generation.

    2020 Jade Iron Cake (C)

    Might be something there but far too green to enjoy although maybe a bit closer than the 2018 6th Generation. Very bright, grassy, and nutty. Reasonably thick.

    2019 Aiqing 1st Generation (B)

    I’m not completely positive this is the right tea but it’s my best guess. By far the best random sample tossed in and far more pleasurable than any of the other teas around this age. Lots of sweetness, significantly better depth and a mild throatiness. Some salivation. Also smoother and thicker. Compared with some of the others, there’s a bit less sugarcane and it moves more towards the fruit sweetness direction although I would not call it fruity.

    2018 5th Generation Tuo 61035 (C)

    Very green and sharp, not remotely close to being drinkable. Texturally interesting and it gets more tart than astringent. Still it does have some merit, like a sugarcane sweetness that coats the front part of the mouth.

    2018 6th Generation (D)

    The Lincang/Kunming knockout combo I feared. Simply too green for me at this moment. Sweet grass. Pushed it gets a bit tangy and drying. Brown sugar. It’s possible there’s something to this, but it’s nowhere close to anything I’d want to sip.

    2013-2015 T61033 (C)

    This is smoother and reasonably thick moving towards a more herbal direction. It’s heavier, grassy characters reminds me of Yunnan Sourcing Lincangs, like their Nanpozhai or Mushucha. It’s OK but not particularly inspiring.

    2010 5th Generation Iron Cake 6155 (B/C)

    This is not bad but not as good as I was hoping. Thankfully it is pretty easy going down and reasonably thick. It is quite oily, moreso than most of the other teas here. While there’s still some astringency that needs to age out, it is also quite mellow and toned down despite brewing a fairly light color. Not particularly complex but decent overall.

    2007 4th Generation Tuo 61014 (B)

    Pretty good. Thick, herbal, honey. Still has a relatively narrow profile, but this is significantly deeper and better than the younger teas. It sill can get quite astringent but it is balanced well with a nice sugarcane sweetness. I somewhat enjoy this.

    2006 7th Generation Iron (C)

    From Pu’erh NW. I could immediately tell this came from Geraldo more recently. This makes me appreciate the other western storage, as this is far more drying and has a peculiar perfumey woody note I’ve seen before from his storage. While I think the underlying tea quality is decent, the tea is more difficult to enjoy than the other mid 2000s teas featured here. Tastewise it has a similar tart wood pulp and a pleasant wood sweetness but the tea presents as maybe 5 years old.

    2005 6th Generation Iron (B)

    From Pu’erh NW. The storage is drier than my preference but it is fairly neutral and this is a solid tea. Like a few of the iron cakes it is oily. The grassiness has mostly aged out towards a unique wood character. Character is relatively simple and straightforward but enjoyable. Good quality aftertaste. After drinking through, I looked up and this had storage from a guy named Mark, whose storage while dry I think is doing quite a bit better than Geraldos.

    2003 4th Generation Chenxiang (B)

    From FarWenwa and then stored by myself for about a decade. It has a bit more of a muddled profile and less of the simple but easy to understand profile that some of the other 00s BCT teas do. At one point this did have a bit of a storage aroma to it (like the 2006) and that has slowly come off of it. Quality of material is clearly good, some mouth and throat cool, decent depth. The bitterness is mild but there’s a tangy wood pulp astringency. It all eventually converts. I’ve tried adding this to the rotation at multiple points but the greenness is ultimately too much for me. This is OK right now but I do hope it turns a corner at some point. Perhaps when it is around 30-35 years old it’ll be more ready.

    My Own Thoughts

    After this tasting, my prior opinion has not changed significantly. No tea here was above a B in terms of enjoyment and those that were B are priced well above my established benchmarks that would earn a similar grade. Similarly my average rating for a session was between a B and a C, a full letter below my average rating for raw pu’erh. That inherently makes the tea featured here less interesting. However, my own preferences are not the same as everyone elses. I am not a material maximalist and suspect I prioritize a tea’s age and storage higher than the average pu’erh drinker. Many of these teas also play directly against my natural biases against Kunming or other dry storage Lincang tea.

    What is interesting is that Baichatang diverges from the popular Taiwanese boutiques by pressing tea from a different area and they’ve been at it for an impressive 32 years. Despite pressing iron cakes and tuos the tea is also definitely different from northern/western staples like Xiaguan and Mengku. There is a very clean, clear feel to their products that is simpler but has a significantly different appeal than the more heavy blends from big factories. The iron cakes and tuos are also more loosely pressed than your standard Xiaguan products. Interestingly even though Kunming has a reputation for thinning out teas, many maintain a nice thickness especially the iron cakes which can have the odd match of oiliness and astringency. If I were to further explore the brand, I’d try out more from Guangdong or hotter climates. So in what will amount to a very lukewarm endorsement: I do not hate these teas.

    Tea Rating
    VOATO (Boutique)
    2020 Jade Iron C -1.5
    2019 Aiqing 1st Generation B -0.5
    2018 5th Generation Tuo 61035 C -1.5
    2018 6th Generation D -2.5
    2013-2015 T61033 C -1.5
    2010 5th Generation Iron Cake 6155 B/C -1
    2007 4th Generation Tuo 61014 B -0.5
    2006 7th Generation Iron C -1.5
    2005 6th Generation Iron B -0.5
    2003 4th Generation Chenxiang B -0.5

     

  • Seven Taobao Picks (with Links!)

    Seven Taobao Picks (with Links!)

    For myself, the appeal of Taobao is the massive amount of tea that is otherwise unavailable or difficult to access outside of east Asia. I’ve held off on specific Taobao recommendations because the landscape can change quickly and I tend to create content with a longer release cycle. This post is an exception. I’m writing and releasing this post quickly so they are all currently available at this specific moment of time in February 2026. Some may still be there in a year, others may not.

    Taobao

    How To Buy

    1. The Direct Method

    For those comfortable with the Taobao app, you can buy directly and ship to a shipping agent (like ShipForwarder).

    • The Process: You buy the tea → ship it to the agent’s warehouse → they consolidate multiple orders → you pay for one international package.
    • Shipping Lines: * Guangzhou ePacket: Best for small hauls (under 2kg).
      • EMS: Faster, but expensive.
      • Sea Freight: The “slow boat,” but significantly cheaper for heavy hauls. Oftentimes unavailable.
    • Estimated Cost: Expect to pay roughly $0.03–$0.05/g in shipping fees.

    2. The Beginner-Friendly Method (Super Buy)

    If you don’t want to navigate the Chinese UI, use an intermediary like Super Buy.

    • Browsing: Use a standard Taobao account to find what you want. Alternatively if you don’t have a Taobao account you can use the Super Buy Browsing function but it is reportedly a bit finicky.
    • Fund: Send money to your agent (Super Buy) and have them buy it for you. Most will accept paypal or other methods.
    • Purchasing: Paste that URL into Super Buy. They buy the item for you, receive it, and take QC (Quality Control) photos.
    • Consolidation: Once all your cakes arrive at their warehouse, you trigger the final international shipment.

    Join the The Tea Table Discord. The Taobao channel is a valuable resource for real-time help with account lockouts or finding specific “hidden” storefronts.

    Price Range

    Taobao has all the price ranges, but western Taobaoers typically shop at what would be considered more of the budget price range in the western scene. I think more people should check out more expensive tea, but I also understand why people opt for inexpensive options when there are a lot of barriers towards pricier gambles. Regardless, I have not tried enough higher-end options to wholeheartedly recommend them so these picks are centered in the $0.05-$0.30/g range.

    The Picks

    In no particular order.

    Fancy Ripe: 2007 Dayi Anxiang via Chen Tang (link) $65/400g ($0.16/g)

    This is a fancy ripe. Credits to shah for turning me onto this years ago. It used to be pricier but Dayi prices have gone down quite a bit. Very refined and a nice aged profile.

    One major risk in Taobao is the storage factor. There’s always some unknown aspect to it. Different vendors have different storage and there’s often a decent degree of variability in the storage offered. For Dayi raw in this age range, much of the storage is a bit drier than my preference. It’s not unforgivable but the storage is an important factor towards how the tea presents. For ripe it’s not nearly as important making it a higher batting average category than raw.

    Daily Ripe: 2006 Dayi 7562 via Chen Tang (link) $25/250g ($0.10/g)

    A cheap brick? Really? Credits to Phobos for turning me onto this one and Chen Tang. It’s simply a very good daily drink, antique wood profile. Less tippy and high-end than the Anxiang but just as delicious in most of the ways that count.

    If you are a ripe enjoyer, Chen Tang is a good place to pick up a variety of ripes. Fan of 7572? They have a dozen options, almost all inexpensive. Same with much of the other popular Dayi recipes including raw like v93, 7542, 8582, Golden Needle White Lotus, etc.

    Dayi to Age: 2015 Dayi Purple via Chen Tang (link) $67/357g ($0.19/g)

    In an infamous Hong Kong Category III film, Red to Kill, an evil social worker goes from a seemingly well adjusted empathetic man to an absolute maniac when he gets triggered by the color red. This is how I feel about the western tea scene with the color purple. Purple wrappers seems to drive them into a mania to buy buy buy.

    This cake has been peddled around the west for various prices. Like many Dayi teas it was quite a bit higher about 5 years ago, but has fallen to a pretty reasonable price range. If you want to hear our thoughts on this tea search our video archives.

    Unlike the Purple, I highly unrecommend Red to Kill unless you derive as much enjoyment from absolute depravity as me.

    Mid-Range to Drink/Age: 2008 Liming Yayun via Pu’er Youxuantang (link) $98/357g ($0.27/g)

    In Taobao some of the shops sound like consignment or even old school pawn shops. One such store was selling this (not the one mentioned here).

    This tea is available from a variety of vendors for around $100-125. It isn’t super budget but it punches a bit above its weight. The Yayun has a pleasing old school, smoky, honey profile. I infamously mixed this up with the pricier 502 Double Lion in a blind tasting. Enjoyable to drink now but should improve. Denny and I split a tong.

    Mid-Range to Age: 2005 Nanqiao Blue Peacock via Pu’er Youxuantang (link) $107/357g ($0.30/g)

    Old school Bulang profile, a bit smoky and probably needs more time. I think this one needs longer than the Yayun but if you want some sturdy Nanqiao Bulang for a cheaper price (stares Double Lion down) this is your cake. It’s not quite the same tea as Double Lion but it has a strong, resinous, smoky profile.

    Daily Classic Raw: 2003/04 Xiaguan Jiaji (link, link) 2003: $16/100g ($0.16/g). 2004: $9.5/100g ($0.10/g)

    From good ol classic, Xiaguan specialist MX Tea, a classic tea. The burly, sturdy Jiaji is a workhorse tea that is worth seeking out and referencing. You can get these 22 and 23 year old tuos for an exceedingly reasonable price. 2004 is the better value, the 2003 is a bit better and still not very expensive. The value of MX over other Xiaguan dealers is they are more consistent selecting for decent storage whereas other vendors can be hit or miss.

    MX is a good place to find other inexpensive tuos, like the Teji.

    Mid-Range to Drink: 2004 Xiaguan Gold Ribbon Red Eye (link) $32/100g ($0.32/g)

    Like a true Taobao degenerate I check MX’s new listings regularly. They sometimes release one-offs or teas that are in limited quantities and sell out quickly. One such tea was the aforementioned Yayun, which was sold out by the time I received my sample cake (Denny and I bought the rest from other vendors). The Gold Ribbon Red Eye is one where I’m not sure how long it will be around. It’s a special production made by XY that is smoother than your standard Jiaji but retains a bit of that crane taste (moreso than the Nanzhao). The later years are better value (2006/2007) but I find the price difference worth it for something a bit older with better material. This is smoother and more easy to drink than the Jiaji right now.

    Come, open your wallet and join the Taobao Degen club.

  • Four Reasons Why You Should Get Your Baseline in Mid 00s Factory Pu’erh

    Four Reasons Why You Should Get Your Baseline in Mid 00s Factory Pu’erh

    Since diving back into tea at the end of 2024, I’ve done a lot of thinking on how the tea scene has changed and what the ideal intro to different tea types are. In many ways the ideal way to approach Taiwanese oolongs or Yancha is the same as it was in 2012. Identify specialized vendors in that tea type and sample a bunch. You’ll pay more and have less choices than someone based in east Asia but that is the reality of being based in a different continent. As is often the case, pu’erh tends to complicate things more, due to the variety and diversity of approaches. The easiest way to make sense of this is to break down pu’erh into simpler components and categories, like  Five Types of Raw Pu’erh You Should Try. A decade ago the conversations mostly centered around young boutique and larger regions, like Yiwu. In reading about specific teas I was highly influenced by bloggers like Half Dipper and Jakub (Marshaln didn’t focus on reviews). Scroll back to what they were drinking in 2013, and you’ll see a wide array of young recently produced pu’erh many under western vendor’s labels. Factory pu’erh seemed to be an afterthought. Not to say it wasn’t around, Yunnan Sourcing sold some stuff or you could go to various ebay vendors who hopefully would sell the real deal. But factory teas simply weren’t a huge focus of conversation in the pu’erh community a 10-12 years ago. No doubt TeaDB was a part of this same movement pushing things in the young boutique. Looking back, I think this was suboptimal and perhaps even a bit strange. If someone came to me and wanted to get into pu’erh, besides directing them towards the different types I’d encourage them to get their baseline from factory pu’erh made between 2005-2008. Here’s why.

    2006 Dayi 0622

    1. They Are Old Enough Now & Have Aged Good Enough to Give a Good Baseline

    This is a math problem. Factory teas are mostly made to be stored and not consumed young. Back in 2014, teas between 2005-2008 were not even 10 years old. Now they are 17-20 years old, firmly semi-aged. The time allows these teas to darken, mellow and get to a more drinkable place. I’d still generally recommend people try them from places besides Kunming where they’ve seen real heat and humidity (Taiwan, Guangdong, Malaysia, etc.).

    As production expanded throughout the 1990s and 2000s, there was speculation as to how the tea would age. Generally speaking it seems like factory teas has aged fine. While the 2005-2008 are not nearly as strong as their predecessors (say 1980s/1990s Dayi), they do exist along a similarish aging trajectory, unlike many boutique teas.

    2. It is Easy to Find

    Yunnan factories crank out a ton of tea every year. These are not boutique single tree runs and even the limited special products operate at a certain scale. But besides the handful of Dayi and Xiaguan that Yunnan Sourcing or other western vendors sold these products were largely unavailable from the western market. Sure you could risk Taobao, but that is a lot of hoops to jump through.

    Now it is much easier. You have all of the original channels, the generally reliable King Tea Mall, Teaswelike, Quiche Teas, etc. Taobao is considerably easier to navigate than it used to be. There are multiple established Dayi flagship sources and there are a lot more people with taobao experience that can help you (join a Discord!).

    2005 Dayi 7542 502

    3. Reasonable Prices

    You’d think with another decade of storage these would now be extremely expensive. Teas that were 17-20 years old were not cheap in 2012. I’m happy to report that is not the case . A huge part of this is simply the quantity of pu’erh made. The last few years have not been kind to Dayi stocks and their prices remains at a bit of a low point, where you can snag cakes through reputable channels for under $100 cake easily. Xiaguan and other factories are generally priced even less than Dayi teas.

    You may ask, why not go a bit older if prices are so cheap? Unfortunately it remains difficult to find reliable pre-reform (earlier than 2005) tea. These teas are generally considered stronger and better, an assessment I agree with, but because of the more limited quantity they are much more expensive than an average factory production from 2008.

    4. Boutique Pu’erh is Complicated and Weird (Not Just Western Boutiques)

    Boutique pu’erh is weird. It is easy to be allured by the promise of fantastic tea leaves from old grove trees. Seems like a simple enough idea. Unfortunately it has ended up being anything but.. Boutique products being smaller runs allow more variability in how the leaves are processed. In trying to create a product that can taste better young, the tea can be processed in ways that make it taste good but age poorly (underrolled, green tea pu’erh, honged). This is fine if you want to consume the tea young, but not great for those that prefer aged pu’erh. Conversations prop up regularly about certain products not aging well or being processed in a way that makes the tea taste good young but age poorly (see Green Tea Pu’erh). It has both complicated and expanded the variety of pu’erh by a wide margin. Now you have to learn about proper processing and be able to taste if there are processing flaws if you want the tea to continue being decent. It can be quite difficult and frankly tedious.

    Being a pu-head in the 1980s/1990s would’ve been comparatively quite dull, choosing between a handful of traditionally stored productions. In 2025, the amount of productions, boutique and factory is quite overwhelming.. It is part of the rabbithole, but it is easy to get confused.. Factory tea from the mid 2000s (minus the wrapperology) is back to basics.

    A veteran drinker complained about how drinking Taiwanese boutique pu’erh is generally not worth it because you have to drink through all their strangely, processed perfumed house note to even get to their base taste. Now that I’m semi-experienced with pu’erh I immediately understood what they were talking about. If I were to do over my tea hobby, I would not have focused nearly as much on boutique pu’erh from the get go and instead shifted it towards factory tea. In this alternate universe, I think I probably would’ve bought some boutique pu’erh at some point but I think I focused far too heavily on it for my first 5 or 6 years of tea drinking. Imagine getting recommended Xizi Hao from the start as some sort of endgame of tea and getting your baseline set with these teas. Many boutiques will give you experience in a very specific little niche of the pu’erh game.

    Many of my favorite pu’erh teas I own are boutique productions. These do have real upside if done properly. I tend to think of boutiques as a high potential ceiling, but also a low floor that comes with an expensive price tag compared with factory tea. There are good boutique teas, but it can be a morass getting to them.

    Which Teas?

    So the list is still subject to change over time, but these are the recommendations as of Summer 2025. I think this list would be similar to one from 5-6 years ago or so as these teas are large scale productions and don’t skate in and out of availability as much as boutique pu’erh.

    My advice is to focus on Dayi and then Xiaguan, with potential add ons from places like Mengku or whatever.

    1. 2006/2008 Dayi 8582
    2. 2006/2007/2008/2010 Dayi 7542
    3. 2005 Xiaguan T8653 Thick Paper (Early in the Year Batch)

    There are a ton of factory productions but I think these three will give a steady foundation for pu’erh that you can use as a springboard to dive deeper into factory tea or branch out into the wild world of boutiques.

    Dayi Tote Bag

    Where Should I Buy These?

    It is easiest to purchase these from TeasWeLike or Quiche (dropships Taishunhe). For those brave enough, the lowest prices are probably on Taobao (you need you to use an agent like SuperBuy or ShipForwarder).

    You can try some of the Dayi Flagships or Chentang for Menghai Tea Factory. For Xiaguan, MX is the most reliable and decent option.

  • Storage Deep Dive featuring 2006 CGHT Yiwu Yecha [Inbetweenisode 181]

    This episode is a deep dive into looking at the storage . I recently acquired a duplicate . This is a cake I’ve kept in my own pumidor storage for three years and was previously stored in Houston Texas, a fairly humid place of the US compared with a cake I recently bought from taobao. The tea featured is the 2006 Chenguanghe tang Autumn Yiwu Yecha. It’s an alright tea, but the purpose of this episode is mainly to evaluate and attempt to analyze the storage.

    In the episode I take a look at the humidity generated by the dry leaves of the cake, examine the visual differences of the dry and wet leaf, have a comparison tasting session, and finally drink the tea under more normal conditions. The episode concludes with some of my own takeaways.

    If you are are pu’erh nerd or at all interested in storing pu’erh I think you will enjoy this episode. If you want to learn more about storage conditions, please check out some of our other storage related content.

    Any feedback for this episode is highly appreciated!

    Rating: 5.7.

  • TAOBAO (& Pu’erh). A Conversation w/Garrett [Inbetweenisode 151]

    In this episode, Garrett and James have an open-ended discussion on Taobao, a Chinese online shopping platform. We start by discussing how we originally started using Taobao, some of its uses to learn and explore tea, and how we found specific vendors on Taobao. About halfway through the episode we discuss agents (intermediaries that allow you to buy tea from Taobao) that we’ve used in the past with and the logistics involved. The episode concludes with a discussion of if we will order from Taobao in the future and the specific type of teas (i.e. factory tea) that we specifically look for. The episode concludes with some pros and cons that we both have of the buying platform.

    This is NOT a how-to guide for taobao.

  • Buying Teas on Taobao [Inbetweenisode 128]

    This episode, James walks through the logistics of buying teas on Taobao.

     

  • How to Find Teas on Taobao [Inbetweenisode 127]

    This inbetweenisode, James talks about Taobao and how to search and find teas. Featuring Babelcarp.

  • Selecting Teas from Taobao & Recommended Taobao Vendors

    I covered how to buy from taobao through an agent in the previous post. Knowing how to order is only part of the battle. There is literally an ocean of teas on taobao and samples are not normally offered. While there are decent teas to be found, there’s also an ocean of crap and overpriced teas. Even amongst the vendors that do indeed offer samples, it’s a long process of trying teas and re-ordering. That makes finding and selecting teas very important. (more…)

  • How to Order Tea from Taobao via an Agent

    Buying through an agent for taobao isn’t terribly difficult. A lot of goods come from China and it’s natural for people to want to buy closer to the source. There’s a number of taobao agents to help satisfy the demand and ship goods to you for a fee. You’ll get dinged and leak money out to these agents/intermediaries, but in many cases the pros of less expensive tea and increased access of goods outweigh the fees and shipping cost. This article details how to go through a forwarder (agent) to purchase tea directly from the bao. (more…)